I appreciated everyone's responses on the journal about Mary Sues.
The majority of us agreed that Mary Sue/ Gary Stu can be very appropriate depending on the story that's being told.
Most of the characters that came up were comic book characters, classic literature characters and anime characters. All loveable despite being in the Sue category.
So let's talk about cliches and tropes now!
I firmly believe that cliches and tropes don't mean a damn thing.
In my mind a story is either well told or poorly told; A movie/book/TV show can be awesome in spite of being cliche if it's well made and engaging.
True, it helps to be original, but there are many, many stories I adore in spite of being predicable. A recent example: Disney's new live action Cinderella is cliche AND has a Mary Sue, but it's beautifully made, engaging, has loveable characters and is simple but well told.
What do you guys think? Do people throw around the words "trope" and "cliche" in a contemptuous way too often?